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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:47 pm 
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wyattearp wrote:

I proved my point to anyone who comes on here as guests other than you nuthuggers who find that he can do no wrong and is a super guy. Maybe in person he is a decent dude...but he's a TOTAL FUCKING JACK OFF when it comes to business. You're like some fucking loser who probably doesn't see any wrong in Nancy Pelosi and Reid either. They're PERFECT! LMAO


So what is your point???? Only thing I get from your rants is you don't like Eric, big shock. You don't like most everyone from what I can tell from your posts over the years. Just like to try and prove how your right. Actually you remind me of John Barton quite a bit.

Everyone knows Eric is slow, probably won't meet a deadline if he gives you one, and may forget your order. And no one really cares. He makes a good cue at a fair price.


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 Post subject: Re: Wayne's Full Spliced Blank Photo
PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:48 pm 
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cuecaps wrote:
A question about the Forearm and Handle lengths/porportions..
I also buy Full Splice Blanks from Atlas..
Their Supplier has a shorter handle, so, the points are far from the Joint Collar.
Wayne's Photo shows a longer Handle, shorter Forearm..
Is it preference of the FS Butt Maker or the result of the different Full Splice Building Method?

Is there a prefered distance between the top of the Points and the Joint Collar?

That's not my photo, I just added the arrow to Lisas photo. Not sure who made the blank. Maybe Davis(?).
I usually make my points 8.5 to 9" long ending 3" from the joint. Like half splice, it's up to the maker how long the points are.


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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:39 am 
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wyattearp wrote:
Eddie Wheat is back...I mean JACK OFF. How can I read your posts, there aren't any. You pulled a Smorgassbored trick by making posts with shit in them and then deleting all of it. I think it's a two way street fag boy, why are you back in here posting to ME?? You must like me whipping on your ass. Why aren't you doing any work and catching up on your cues, JACK OFF? LMAO

Hey Bill WTF we haven't had a good pool related thread in a month and we get a decent one and you try to turn it to shit, what's up with that??

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 Post subject: Re: Wayne's Full Spliced Blank Photo
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:42 am 
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wayne wrote:
cuecaps wrote:
A question about the Forearm and Handle lengths/porportions..
I also buy Full Splice Blanks from Atlas..
Their Supplier has a shorter handle, so, the points are far from the Joint Collar.
Wayne's Photo shows a longer Handle, shorter Forearm..
Is it preference of the FS Butt Maker or the result of the different Full Splice Building Method?

Is there a prefered distance between the top of the Points and the Joint Collar?

That's not my photo, I just added the arrow to Lisas photo. Not sure who made the blank. Maybe Davis(?).
I usually make my points 8.5 to 9" long ending 3" from the joint. Like half splice, it's up to the maker how long the points are.



The pic I supplied is that of a Davis blank. From the length of the points, I suspect that the pic supplied by Tommy is that as well of a completed Davis blank, due to the length of the points. Prather's points are admittedly not as long. They give you more nose material to work with. Because their blanks average over 34" in length, in my experience, they offer you the option of opting for more nose material, or more butt material. They leave the choice up to you. In the case of my first Prather blank, I opted for more nose material, partly because the curly used was exceptionally straight, and I wanted to use the excess butt material as a butt cap as opposed to a phenolic. On the 2nd blank, I wanted more of the butt material used as the focus for the cue, because it was so nicely figured. On the first blank, the Brazilian Bocote, aka Louro Preto, was more stable than the Tulipwood used in the 2nd blank. At any rate, neither moved during turning, and both butts remained straight and true. No small feat for the Tulipwood, as it is known for retaining a lot of moisture, and takes some time to age properly. As hot and humid as it has been this summer, I am constantly checking the Tulipwood based butt...and it still remains true.

Basically, all I am trying to say is that I have yet to be disappointed with MY Prather blank experiences...perhaps I have been exceptionally lucky.


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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:34 am 
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qbilder wrote:
Wyatt, you wanna kiss me?


No...but Brian, Rich R., cubswin, and a couple of others would. They might even want to go beyond a kiss. I thought you looked like there was a hint of gay in your picture with the firewood.


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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:41 am 
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JimBo wrote:
Hey Bill WTF we haven't had a good pool related thread in a month and we get a decent one and you try to turn it to shit, what's up with that??

Jim <---Doesn't understand



Nice Jim - there is nothing more to say about that :mrgreen:


@wyatt´i
I read it again, and all I can say is the conversation between you and Eric started out funny with some
trash talking, but off course, you where the guy who began with the shit and the personal things.
And wyatt, I don´t think you know if Eric and I met or how often we met or if we drunk beer together.
Don´t talk shit, if you know nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:51 am 
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BoisdeRosie wrote:
You may wish to rethink this position slightly, Eric"h". From a players standpoint, and not that of a collector...if you pay attention to the Wanted/For Sale section over at the other place...I have seen more of the Blackcreek full splices back up for resale pretty darn quickly. And those blanks are made in-house, and unavailable for sale. While they look real good...especially the older ones he was doing with the sharp point bottoms, it tells me that there is something else going on there...otherwise people would be hangin' on to them. At one point, there was almost a glut of these cues being offered for resale.

Also, I do not understand why the Davis blanks get a 'pass', just because of his history. There are some makers who will not work with them. Personally, I find the chunky outer veneer at the point bottoms a turn-off. I would rather have uneven points tips, than chunky point bottoms...but to each their own, I guess.

What you don't see is in the W/FS is a lot of Prather full spliced blanked cues up for resale...I am trying to remember if there have been any in the recent past at all. This may be because Prather makes a very solid full splice blank, and when completed, makes terrific playing cues. People hang onto them. Enough makers must have enough respect for Prather for them to win the ACA award this year.

Now Ed Prewitt is doing some really nice looking full splices that he builds from the ground up, and they're pricey. The work appears to be extremely tight...I have no clue how they play, as feedback on his cues is pretty rare.

When a maker is working with a pre-made full splice blank, I think the attention to the whole process is more intense. It's not like you can just cut out the handle and replace it because it's hidden under a wrap should the blank move.

Just my .02 worth not that anyone really cares.

Lisa



Hey Lisa,

all you said and wrote sounds completely clear in my mind, but like you mentioned by yourself,
there are two guys out there who show us that fullsplices don´t have to be that expensive.

I had the chance to play with one of Travis (Blackcreek) fullsplice cues.
And all I can say is, they not only look great - the have an awesome HIT, too. :mrgreen:

And, you may not believe it, but I played with one of Mark´s cues, too (Bear Cues).
The "HIT" is fantastic and very solid and I tried his fullsplice jumpers, too - and thats the real deal - WOW :mrgreen:

Now if you look at these two examples, you can see that fullsplice cues don´t have to be that expensive.
Maybe Travis fullsplice are a little bit more expensive then his short splice, but the difference is not that much.
And Mark´s prices are in a range where we all should buy at least one of his cues, and jumpers :mrgreen:

And like you said it before, Lisa - these are only my two cents.

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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:52 am 
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JimBo wrote:
Hey Bill WTF we haven't had a good pool related thread in a month and we get a decent one and you try to turn it to shit, what's up with that??
Jim <---Doesn't understand


Let me help you understand since you must not have read it earlier. JACK OFF started it with the name calling when I was yankin' his chain on a post. He deleted the post and others to look innocent like Smorgassbored used to do but here's the quote before he did it. There's no way I'm going to let it drop with this underachieving waste of talent young punk know-it-all.
Btw Jim, in case you haven't noticed, the thread is still doing pretty damn good around the crap.

WYATTEARP:
ROTFLMFAO...you gotta be phuckin' shittin' me. Let's put in a high quality leather wrap, ivory ferrules, additional inlays, two shafts and an ivory joint collar and it now exceeds the cost of a HERCEK by far. LOL LOL LOL

ERIC CRISP CALLING ME A DUMB FUCK AND ESCALATING IT:
You dumb fuck. It was an example, a point to be made why most cuemakers don't do it. It's because buyers couldn't afford it. As in, not a worth while endeavor for either party. Learn to read.



I don't think you would have done nothing if it was John Barton or Willecue. You NEVER let it go.

So why don't you just go back to the source who shot off his big fucking mouth with the name calling?
He's still in here talking shit about "kissing" him like a faggot. Oh...I know why...because he was at the Jimbo Jambo room and has been knighted. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:56 am 
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mair23 wrote:
And wyatt, I don´t think you know if Eric and I met or how often we met or if we drunk beer together.
Don´t talk shit, if you know nothing.
Eric"h"


Well, did you or didn't you ever meet face to face at VF or elsewhere? Do you own one of his cues?


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 Post subject: Re: Wayne's Full Spliced Blank Photo
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:03 am 
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For "normal" weight woods like purple heart, most rosewoods, bocote etc. I'll do the blank where the base of the points are at 14.5" (my butts are 29" so that is half way). Heavier woods like ebony or cocobolo I'll move the base to 12.5". IMHO a sneaky pete type cue looks better with the points further from the joint than a cue with a wrap or exotic handle. Of course the look of the cue is up to you. If you want the cues to have longer points you can core the back end or several other things to get the look of longer points and still have the cue balance right.

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cuecaps wrote:
A question about the Forearm and Handle lengths/porportions..
I also buy Full Splice Blanks from Atlas..
Their Supplier has a shorter handle, so, the points are far from the Joint Collar.
Wayne's Photo shows a longer Handle, shorter Forearm..
Is it preference of the FS Butt Maker or the result of the different Full Splice Building Method?

Is there a prefered distance between the top of the Points and the Joint Collar?

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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:36 am 
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cubswin wrote:

So what is your point????

Everyone knows Eric is slow, probably won't meet a deadline if he gives you one, and may forget your order. And no one really cares. He makes a good cue at a fair price.


ROTFLMFAO...thank you for making my point so succintly. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Only a nuthugging MORON wouldn't care. LOL LOL LOL (I think I'm gonna piss my pants from laughing so hard)


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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
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OK...to get this thread halfway back on track...from all of you that have had the opportunity to hit or play with a full splice cue from any of the cuemakers who really know how to do it right, how would you rank the HIT and FEEL against any other cue?

Here's my impression...there is absolutely no comparison. A full splice is without a doubt the most solid with feedback unlike the rest. They ARE the standouts in the industry. But, that's just me.


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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:55 am 
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I have a full splice made by Scott Gracio and it has a very solid hit. I got it for a steal because it was one of his learning curve cues that turned out with the points not quite even and a couple of funky veneers. But everything else on it is very nice and too good to throw away. Not sure what his regular price will be for a full-splice.

This info is a few years old and only from my memory . . . . When Jim White and I talked about pricing for his short and full splice cues, the difference was about a $200 - $300 premium for the full splice. Again, that is from memory, so maybe not exactly accurate.

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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:01 am 
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wyattearp wrote:
OK...to get this thread halfway back on track...from all of you that have had the opportunity to hit or play with a full splice cue from any of the cuemakers who really know how to do it right, how would you rank the HIT and FEEL against any other cue?

Here's my impression...there is absolutely no comparison. A full splice is without a doubt the most solid with feedback unlike the rest. They ARE the standouts in the industry. But, that's just me.

Joel's cues are still right at the top in feel/hit/whateveryouwanttocallit. My "finely tuned" game ( :roll: ) can switch among my Hercek, Szamboti and White cues with ease. I throw my Tucker, Webb and Haley into the mix also, and love to play with them all.

I agree, though, that the Herceks have a unique and special feel.

Scott <<== currently abusing a Tucker :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Prather blanks & Newbie builders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:32 am 
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I picture in my mind that at some point years ago this exchange had to happen:

Wyatt: "Hi Eric my name is Wyatt Earp I like the look of your cues and would like to buy one. Can you please me tell me the date and time I can expect delivery, preferably down to the exact minute the UPS guy will pass it into my sweaty little palms. I have much trolling on the internets to do you see so I have to plan my life down to the minute as to not miss any opportunities to be an anonymous asshole online"

Eric: " Well you see I have a lot of things going on so I do not give firm dates. I may be able to give you a rough idea but that can and probably will change too. This is why I take no upfront money. Tell me what you want and at some point you will probably get it and then if you still want it you can pay me for it. If you dont want want it no hard feelings."

Wyatt: "WHAT?!?!?! YOU CAN'T TELL ME EXACTLY WHEN I CAN HAVE A CUE?!?!?!? EVERY OTHER CUEMAKER ON EARTH KNOWS THE VERY MINUTE THEY WILL COMPLETE EVERY THING THEY START AND YOU WILL NOT TELL ME?!?!?! JACKKKKKK OFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!

Eric: "Did your Uncle Larry give you the bad touch after Thanksgiving dinner or something?"

Wyatt: "YOU GO FVCK YOURSELF YOU NON MINUTE SPECIFIC DEADLINE GIVING ASSSSHOOOOOLLLLEEE JACKKKK OFFFF!!!!!!"

Eric: "I think you should probably go order a cue from someone else. Have a nice life"

Wyatt: "YOU MUST RESPOND TO ME!!! YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR ENTIRE LIFE TO MEET MY EXPECTATIONS OF DELIVERY TIMES AND TOTAL YEARLY OUTPUT!! IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS YOU WILL FOREVER BE A JACKKKKKKKK OFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!"

Eric: "Oh look...I found some Bocote....I am off to load this b!tch up with some malachite dots and spears....take it easy yo."

Wyatt: "JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK OOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF"


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