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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:23 pm 
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Erich, not sure if this was all you expected, but here is what I found in pictures, courtesy of Bob Dzuricky (dzcues). His website is fantastic. See the link from his post below..

This first series of 4 pics shows:

- the sheet of glued veneers
- the sheet being cut down the middle of its length with a 90 degree bit
- after being cut, all of the veneer layers show at a 45 degree angle (1/2 of the 90)
- another shot of the two strips with their 45 degree edges

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:29 pm 
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These show:

- two strips, glued together with their 45 degree faces against each other, being held in the resulting 90 degree V with painters tape
- the end view of the glued V
- after the tape is removed and ready to inlay into the forearm V-groove

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:39 pm 
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And, finally, these show:

- some forearms with 90 degree v-grooves cut
- the backend (a-joint, handle end) of a forearm with the V-shaped veneers sitting in the 90 degree V-grooves, with the 90 degree point wood sitting in the V-shaped veneers
- same as the previous picture, but from the joint end of the forearm
- the end result, after you cut off the excess point material, taper the forearm and face the backend (see Murray's original post in this thread for that sequence)

This sequence shows how these 90 degree square pieces make pointy points. It is a combination of the geometry of the V-groove being deeper at the handle end and the forearm tapered smaller at the joint end.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:25 pm 
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I LOVE YOU, Scott :mrgreen:
That´s awesome, because now even I am able to understand the whole process.

Is it necessary to glue the veneers in the V-Groove first, and then put the point wood in it :?:
Or do you glue the finished veneers on the point wood first - and then put them all together
in the V-Groove of theforearm :?:

Thanks again for your time, and these are the pix I wanted to see :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Eric"h" ------- needs pics, because the words are in "english" :lol:

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Uhh, I forgot, even if I love you because of your fantastic pictures and explanations...........
Rules are Rules, and you are in the Loser Round :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:09 pm 
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BarenbruggeCues wrote:
Tommy Stanfill wrote:
Murray, I have an 88 degree saw blade that was used long ago for cutting the miters. Is this profile better than 90 degrees?


I read once that there was someone who cut their points at 105 degrees. That way they could touch the bottoms and not go as deep. I think it was in the BB....but as usual I can't remember.

Tom Harris in Connecticut! 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:43 pm 
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Tom Harris in Connecticut! 8)[/quote]


Tom is still in Connecticut, I'm not sure how much he is still doing on cues.


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mair23 wrote:
I LOVE YOU, Scott :mrgreen:
That´s awesome, because now even I am able to understand the whole process.

Is it necessary to glue the veneers in the V-Groove first, and then put the point wood in it :?:
Or do you glue the finished veneers on the point wood first - and then put them all together
in the V-Groove of theforearm :?:

Thanks again for your time, and these are the pix I wanted to see :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Eric"h" ------- needs pics, because the words are in "english" :lol:

Hey, asshole..... :mrgreen:

I guess you could glue them either way. To me (an admitted amateur) it makes sense to glue the pieces all at one time so that your pressure to "clamp" everything together can be applied only once and to everything equally.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:12 am 
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mair23 wrote:
Is it necessary to glue the veneers in the V-Groove first, and then put the point wood in it :?:
Or do you glue the finished veneers on the point wood first - and then put them all together
in the V-Groove of theforearm :?:


Some people glue the veneers to the point wood first, then put glue that as one piece into the prong. Others glue both pieces into the prong at the same time. I don't know of anybody who glues the veneers in first and then the wood (but I suppose it could be done).

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Tony Zinzola wrote:
mair23 wrote:
Is it necessary to glue the veneers in the V-Groove first, and then put the point wood in it :?:
Or do you glue the finished veneers on the point wood first - and then put them all together
in the V-Groove of theforearm :?:


Some people glue the veneers to the point wood first, then put glue that as one piece into the prong. Others glue both pieces into the prong at the same time. I don't know of anybody who glues the veneers in first and then the wood (but I suppose it could be done).


I glue both the veneers and the point into the prong at the same time as I feel gluing the point into the veneer first can cause a problem later. I certainly don't want any glue starved areas, especially in such an important area so I really load up with glue which has a lot of squeeze out. Any of the glue squeeze out getting on the outside veneer will cause problems later as the unit won't fit into the V groove correctly or if the excess is sanded off it can easily change the thickness in the outside veneer in places.

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Tony Zinzola wrote:
Some people glue the veneers to the point wood first, then put glue that as one piece into the prong. Others glue both pieces into the prong at the same time. I don't know of anybody who glues the veneers in first and then the wood (but I suppose it could be done).

I've been doing it that way for several years now. Works for me!


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Hi Scott,

FYI, all of the pictures you posted are mine, except the picture of the grooved forearms. I have three updated pages showing the whole procedure here: http://www.dzcues.com/veneers.html

A video showing how I cut the V-grooves is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OtZo5cI2jw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Hope this helps.

Edit: I just realized this post was from a few yrs ago. Oh well....

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dzcues wrote:
Hi Scott,

FYI, all of the pictures you posted are mine, except the picture of the grooved forearms. I have three updated pages showing the whole procedure here: http://www.dzcues.com/veneers.html

A video showing how I cut the V-grooves is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OtZo5cI2jw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Hope this helps.

Edit: I just realized this post was from a few yrs ago. Oh well....

Bob, I apologize that I didn't put the source of the pictures in my original posts. I meant to. Your site is awsome and passes along a ton of information. Thanks for maintaining it.

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ScottR wrote:
Bob, I apologize that I didn't put the source of the pictures in my original posts. I meant to. Your site is awsome and passes along a ton of information. Thanks for maintaining it.


No problem, Scott.

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dzcues wrote:
ScottR wrote:
Bob, I apologize that I didn't put the source of the pictures in my original posts. I meant to. Your site is awsome and passes along a ton of information. Thanks for maintaining it.


No problem, Scott.

Anybody know how the Mad Canadian Pharmacist got into the forum?

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