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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:34 am 
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In this segment I will show how to do some simple inlays. I will touch on some more complicated ones in a future segment. Sorry my pictures suck. Hopefully Santa Claus will be bringing me a new camera since my good one croaked a while back.

This cue will feature a pattern of abalone slotted diamonds and dots.

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This video shows my machine cutting the pocket for the inlay. The first cut is roughing the pocket with a .0625 cutter. The second is the finish pass with a .0156 cutter.

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Here is a picture of me test fitting the inlays. I use white material because it shows everything. I want to have to lightly press the inlay into the pocket. To tight and it can break and too loose it will have glue lines.

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Pockets before the inlays go in.

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Here they are after gluing.

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And here is the finished product.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:25 am 
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WOW - GREAT, the anatomy comes to live again :mrgreen:

It´s not the week I was waiting for, because you told us RECUT POINTS will be coming,
but at least it´s another WEEK, you know. And Murray, the pics are great and are in a
good "flow", so that stupid guys like me can follow, too. :mrgreen:

But now, after telling you the RECUT THING :shock: , here came the INLAY questions.

1. You are showing us the FEMALE (cue) part of cutting, so you show us how your machine cuts
the pockets in the cue, but it would be interesting to see how "a machine" cuts out mother of
pearl, too. So to see how the MALE (inlay) part is done :?:

2. I hope I don´t get it wrong, but your machine has more then 3-axis, or ?
It looks like the pocket for the inlay is rounded on the bottom, and it looks like the inlay itself is
rounded, too - am I wright or completely wrong :?:

3. I thought that there is a chance to make "straight" pockets and "straight" inlay (male) parts, and
then after glueing them into the pocket I would have to turn (sand) them down again.
Sorry if I am a complete idiot and wrong, but was how was it done before CNC :?:

Eric"h" ---- don´t kick my ass if I am wrong, because I have no clue :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:58 am 
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mair23 wrote:
WOW - GREAT, the anatomy comes to live again :mrgreen:

It´s not the week I was waiting for, because you told us RECUT POINTS will be coming,
but at least it´s another WEEK, you know. And Murray, the pics are great and are in a
good "flow", so that stupid guys like me can follow, too. :mrgreen:

But now, after telling you the RECUT THING :shock: , here came the INLAY questions.



I told you in chat yesterday that I was behind on the re-cut thing and would be changing directions. Sometimes this working for a living thing really screws up cuemaking.


mair23 wrote:
1. You are showing us the FEMALE (cue) part of cutting, so you show us how your machine cuts
the pockets in the cue, but it would be interesting to see how "a machine" cuts out mother of
pearl, too. So to see how the MALE (inlay) part is done :?:


Those parts are pre-made, I did not cut them. Making the male is very similar to making the pocket. You just glue a piece of whatever you are making the inlays out of down and cut the shape. I will cut some male parts in the near future and do a video for you. Here is a picture of a piece of ivory that I cut some diamonds, dots and propellers out of.

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mair23 wrote:
2. I hope I don´t get it wrong, but your machine has more then 3-axis, or ?
It looks like the pocket for the inlay is rounded on the bottom, and it looks like the inlay itself is
rounded, too - am I wright or completely wrong :?:


That mill is 3 axis. The inlays are razor sharp and the cutter I used to finish the pocket is about the size of the period at the end of this sentence. I think it is just shadows and my crappy camera phone that is giving that illusion.

mair23 wrote:
3. I thought that there is a chance to make "straight" pockets and "straight" inlay (male) parts, and
then after glueing them into the pocket I would have to turn (sand) them down again.
Sorry if I am a complete idiot and wrong, but was how was it done before CNC :?:

Eric"h" ---- don´t kick my ass if I am wrong, because I have no clue :roll:


The inlays are put in when the cue is still oversize. In this case the cue was still .005 from finish size.

There are many ways to do inlays. Lots of people use pantographs and templates. Some still do it with a hammer and chisels. I don't own a pantograph but do own several CNC machine so that is what I use.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:08 am 
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Thanks for your fast answers, Murray, but you know whats coming, :mrgreen:
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BUT ............
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if your machine is a 3-axis one, it will not turn the cue - correct :?:
In case of that the POCKETS (female) you created in the cue should be deeper in the middle - correct :?:
And the bottom of these POCKETS should be straight and not rounded like the cue - correct :?:

If yes, it would be great if you could make a MACRO PIC next time, so it would be visible for us. :mrgreen:

And then it should be like I mentioned, or not :?:
The MALE (inlay) part is straight on all sides, too :?:
So after glueing into the cue and after cleaning it (putting the glue away)
we should be albe to see that the MALE part stands out a little bit - correct :?:

I am missing that picture again. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:28 am 
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mair23 wrote:
Thanks for your fast answers, Murray, but you know whats coming, :mrgreen:
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BUT ............
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if your machine is a 3-axis one, it will not turn the cue - correct :?:


No, my machine will not turn the cue. I have to index it manually.


mair23 wrote:
In case of that the POCKETS (female) you created in the cue should be deeper in the middle - correct :?:
And the bottom of these POCKETS should be straight and not rounded like the cue - correct :?:


The pockets are flat on the bottom and the edges are straight. These inlays are .080 thick so I cut my pocket .075 deep using the center as a reference. You can see that once the inlay is glued in the edges stick up some. That is taken care of when the cue is cut to final size.

mair23 wrote:
If yes, it would be great if you could make a MACRO PIC next time, so it would be visible for us. :mrgreen:


Not with this freaking camera phone I can't. Hopefully Santy is good to me this year so I can do better.

mair23 wrote:
And then it should be like I mentioned, or not :?:
The MALE (inlay) part is straight on all sides, too :?:
So after glueing into the cue and after cleaning it (putting the glue away)
we should be albe to see that the MALE part stands out a little bit - correct :?:


You are correct. The inlay and pocket are flat on the bottom and straight on the sides. Whatever sticks up cuts cut away when the cue is cut to final size.

I am missing that picture again. :mrgreen:

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Eric"h" ------ I know you will hate me and kick my ass at the EXPO, but I have to ask :roll:


I won't kick your ass but you better bring me a beer any time you see me.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:52 am 
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Here are a couple of more photos. In this case I cut the male parts myself so I could inlay them into the pocket I wanted, not what was dictated by a pre-cut inlay. Notice I left the wood in the slots. Hard to do purple colored glue.

And obviously my photo skills were no better in 2005.

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Again, nice job in showing how things are put together, Murray.

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Murray Tucker wrote:
No, my machine will not turn the cue. I have to index it manually.


Another Christmas request : a 4 axis CNC mill ..... with seat, and "cup" holder.

Great job on this thread and series Murray, much appreciated.

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Nice fit on the purpleheart example.

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Thanks Murray. I will never make a cue but I'm learning a lot from these threads.

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Hey guys, dont stick your heads that deep into Murrays ass :shock:
He missed at least 2 months, we should at least turn the names from "week number" to "month number". :mrgreen:

Eric"h" ------ ups, two beers anytime we meet :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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mair23 wrote:
Hey guys, dont stick your heads that deep into Murrays ass :shock:
He missed at least 2 months, we should at least turn the names from "week number" to "month number". :mrgreen:

Eric"h" ------ ups, two beers anytime we meet :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Yes, he missed some time but I'm just happy Murray started up again. I love learning this stuff.

Thinks Eric"h" already owes Murray a few cases of beer.

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mair23 wrote:
He missed at least 2 months, we should at least turn the names from "week number" to "month number".


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J...weeks, months, years...we're talking cuemaker time here, Erich ! :roll:

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J...weeks, months, years...we're talking cuemaker time here, Erich ! :roll:



Ups, you are right, I really forgot that cuemaker thing for a moment :shock:

Eric"h" ------ loves to drink beer with murray :mrgreen:

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