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 Post subject: Snake Oil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:09 am 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6iczQdWpRQ

Zero deflection? Calculations built right into the shaft? Possible or snake oil?

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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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Is this Rick's brother?


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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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brooklynjay wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6iczQdWpRQ

Zero deflection? Calculations built right into the shaft? Possible or snake oil?

It looks neat and it sounds neat, but every year he has some new gimmick to make the game easier.

I want to see it on a long (6.5+ feet between cueball and object ball) straight in with 3 tips of inside english. No shaft will make that ball the way he is showing how to shoot it.

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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:39 am 
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CAPZDP = BHE

Did I miss something?


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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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No matter what you play with. You still have to practice. Some people are destined to be world champs and most are left as A-B-C players. The Drill instructor seems pretty proud. I can respect that.


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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:13 pm 
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Greg Berger wrote:
CAPZDP = BHE

Did I miss something?


Not really, as far as I can see. It is just BHE with a pivot point (although a pretty big range, 8-13 inches). It would be interesting for a manufacturer to pre-mark the actual pivot point on the shaft.

Of course, BHE only deals with the deflection. It does not compensate for swerve or the effect of English on the object ball.

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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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deflection or not, with the amount of outside he put on the CB, simple physics dictates a significant amount of throw. He's likely just defeating the throw in a short distance with power before english has a chance to take effect. That or the cue ball is slightly airborne when contact is made. Weird shit regardless

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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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radge69 wrote:
Is this Rick's brother?



An attempt to be considered part of the Freddy and the Dreamer crowd and the peanut gallery. An obvious call for help because you need some kind of acceptance. It is you who worships at the altar of misdirection from your deep feelings of inferiority.

I feel so sorry for your silly efforts to be accepted as part of a misfit social group.

You are a super idiot with no logic in your soul Radge. Like clueless Koop, there is no hope for you.

Sorry I had to be the one to tell you.

So there it is!

Ricky

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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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scdiveteam wrote:
radge69 wrote:
Is this Rick's brother?



An attempt to be considered part of the Freddy and the Dreamer crowd and the peanut gallery. An obvious call for help because you need some kind of acceptance. It is you who worships at the altar of misdirection from your deep feelings of inferiority.

I feel so sorry for your silly efforts to be accepted as part of a misfit social group.

You are a super idiot with no logic in your soul Radge. Like clueless Koop, there is no hope for you.

Sorry I had to be the one to tell you.

So there it is!

Ricky


LOL..got me on the brain, huh idiot?

This would be fun if you weren't such a dolt and complete waste of time. I honestly don't know why you're even here? You're an idiot, no one wants you here, and you've been proven to be a complete hack as a cuemaker.

I am going to make a promise that you have consistently broken by still posting here when you vowed you wouldn't.
This is the last time I will EVER go back and forth with you again. It's a complete waste of my time and I probably care more about whale shit at the bottom of the ocean than I do what you think and write.

You should do what you said you would do and just leave. Or not...I guess it really doesn't matter and neither do you.

Clueless Koop

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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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I wonder how Ginky (RIP) was doing this back in 90s with a normal shaft. He must have been doing the math himself and was forced to actually practice.


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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:55 pm 
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Pure garbage.

What is the math applied to?
The taper of the shaft design? Some formula for pivot and distance from the cue ball and object ball.
Sure, the closer you get, the more you can change your aim and still have the ball go it.
If you have two balls close to frozen together....

How about length of the table shots? What happens then?
Idiot.

Let's see the math.
Nothing worse than someone talking about the math, and then not being able to show it.

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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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I was finally able to watch this and this is total and complete garbage.
That is backhand English, pure and simple. Hal Houle taught be BHE years ago and proved that by using it the cue ball doesn't deflect.
It has nothing to do with a magical shaft.

About the only shaft that it doesn't work perfectly with is a Predator because of how low deflection the shaft is.
Seriously, how the hell do you mathematically compute deflection into wood?

Unless proven otherwise this is snakeoil. I would gladly eat my words if I could be proven wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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Koop wrote:

Seriously, how the hell do you mathematically compute deflection into WOOD?

Unless proven otherwise this is snakeoil. I would gladly eat my words if I could be proven wrong.


It can probably be easily proven with a tape measure and protractor.

Simple Definition of deflection

: the act of changing or causing something to change direction

1 : a turning aside or off course : deviation

HERE'S WOOD:
http://www.the-bent-penis-website.com/b ... xddHscUXIU


WOOD YOU PREFER KETCHUP OR MUSTARD WITH YOUR MEAL? (good thing you said you'd eat the words instead of the wood) :lol: :lol:

Regarding Sgt. Slaughter the drill instructor...he's a total WHACK JOB!


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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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He was missing longer shots (even on barbox) as predicted.

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 Post subject: Re: Snake Oil?
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Koop wrote:
Seriously, how the hell do you mathematically compute deflection into wood?

Unless proven otherwise this is snakeoil. I would gladly eat my words if I could be proven wrong.

Wooden beam deflection is calculated every day by students using moments of inertia and statics equations. I assume you're not talking about that.

Analytically, you can measure the shaft's "effective pivot point" (squirt + throw) using the Aim & Pivot Test Method for determining squirt characteristics. You can also mathematically determine the natural or absolute pivot point of a cue by measuring the amount the cueball went off line at a certain distance (basic trigonometry).

The former is from Bob Jewett's FAQ and is a nice next step for BHE users; the latter is how Platinum Billiards and others (including Dr. Dave who copied Platinum's efforts).

Because Aim & Pivot measures "effective squirt" or "effective pivot points" (terms I used long before these other yahoos started putting it on their websites), the pivot point from Aim & Pivot is longer than the cue stick's absolute pivot point (no throw). And rightfully so.


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